Skip to main content. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering is the definitive Christian book on why bad things happen and how we should respond to them. This biblical metaphor is a rich one. In Jesus Christ we see that God actually experiences the pain of the fire as we do. Log in, Walking with God through Pain and Suffering, Life for our ancestors was filled with far more suffering than ours is. I will bless the Lord at all times; his praise shall continually be in my mouth. And my own resiliency to suffering is no better. $19.99 . Tim Keller has written one of the years most important books (a line I seem to recite annually). It is beautifully written as well as being really practical in what we can do and what to trust God to do. Try Prime EN Hello, Sign in Account & Lists Sign in Account & Lists Returns & Orders Try Prime Cart. Temporarily out of stock. What unites them is the central image of suffering as a fiery furnace. As I read books on evil and suffering, it became clear that most vol­umes treated the subject mainly from just one perspective. Add to Basket. And for me, that’s saying something. May God help me to walk with Him ever more closely (and hopefully) through the pain and suffering that comes so that someday I may even rejoice in my sufferings because they have given me something infinitely more precious than they have cost me. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 19, 2015. Keller's series of books has guided countless readers in their spiritual journeys. My soul makes its boast in the Lord; let the afflicted hear and be glad. The Bible, therefore, is about suffering as much as it is about anything. Find all the books, read about the author, and more. . This raises the concept of God “walking with us” to a whole new level. Thousands die from traffic acci­dents or cancer every hour, and hundreds of thousands learn that their loved ones are suddenly gone. I’ve even ordered copies for a few friends who gag when they hear the God of the Bible is not embarrassed to say he’s sovereign over suffering. You're listening to a sample of the Audible audio edition. The Logos edition of Walking with God through Pain and Suffering equips you for better study with cutting-edge functionality and features. Life is tragic. Suffering can refine us rather than destroy us because God himself walks with us in the fire. Authr clearly has experienced, not just much suffering, but also the love and graciousness of a practical God who cares for us. 4.8 out of 5 stars 546. (Psalm 34:1–­3). We are all sufferers, or we will be. But this is, of course, only one of innu­merable forms and modes of suffering. Who says scripture has no answers to why God allows, even ordains, suffering in our lives?? In the first part of the book, we will look at the “furnace” from the outside—­the phenomenon of human suffering, as well as the various ways that different cultures, religions, and eras in history have sought to help people face and get through it. The author does not claim to solve all the mysteries of suffering but has given much to help along the way. This keeps us from thinking we can run from the furnace (avoid it) or quickly run through it (deny it) or just lie down hopelessly (despair in it). His comments on Luther's view of suffering were most helpful. When someone perceives that they have been wronged by you, they may embark on a program of trying to hurt you or damage your reputation. Read the introduction. Enjoy a great reading experience when you buy the Kindle edition of this book. The Bible calls trials and troubles “walking through fire” (Isa 43:2) or a “fiery ordeal” (1 Pet 4:12). Praise For Walking with God through Pain and Suffering… It’s time for a new understanding and perspective, and who better to tackle this complex subject than Timothy Keller? There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. As the pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in Manhattan, Timothy Keller is known for the unique insights he shares, and his series of books has guided countless readers in their spiritual journeys. . While the first kind of suffering requires that you learn repentance, this kind of suffering will entail that you wrestle with the issues of forgiveness. With a sweep of a prayer and the praise of a child’s heart, God can strip away any cobweb.” – Joni Eareckson Tada 3. Please try your request again later. After wrestling through this book, I understand why I’ve failed (and couldn’t have done anything but fail) in this aim. It’s probably the best overall book on suffering because it shrewdly addresses the issue from three angles: cultural; biblical-theological; practical; As with Keller’s other books, this brims with wisdom from decades of fruitful pastoral ministry. How can you survive it? Does God have purpose behind them? 2?Videos . .orange-text-color {font-weight:bold; color: #FE971E;}Enjoy features only possible in digital – start reading right away, carry your library with you, adjust the font, create shareable notes and highlights, and more. The fact that I have added a 3 page subject index and a 1 page Scripture index indicates the book's continuing value. $12.99. But how do we actually walk with God in such times? And so I have divided the book into three parts, each part looking at the issue using somewhat different tools. Personal betrayals are particularly horrific, and this sort of trial can tempt you to give in to debilitating anger and bitterness. But Becker believed such thinking fails to “take life seriously” or to admit the “lived truth of the terror of creation . “I will be with you, your troubles to bless, and sanctify to you your deepest distress.”. I am relatively new to the Christian faith and don't usually read books as "academic" as this, so this book was on my bookshelf for a few months before I could start reading it from cover to cover. Next. How can you get through it without losing the best parts of yourself? With that statement, Pastor/Author Tim Keller embarks on a study of evil and its ramifications in Walking with God through Pain and Suffering. They should not be read as discrete “steps” to be followed in strict order but as various facets or aspects of a single action—­to know the God who says “when you pass through the waters . £9.95. The question of why God would allow pain and suffering in the world has vexed believers and nonbelievers for millennia. Finally, many books took a devotional approach, writing a series of meditations designed to help actual sufferers in the midst of their grief. It is this kind of experience that has led a host of thinkers to argue, as the writer Stendhal (Marie-­Henri Beyle) did, that “the only excuse for God is that he doesn’t exist.”. (p. 15), [S]ecularization thins out traditional beliefs . Brilliant brilliant book. Timothy Keller. But you don’t really know Jesus is all you need until Jesus is all you have.”. But what happens when there is no description, no place, nobody? About the Author TIMOTHY KELLER was born and raised in Pennsylvania and educated at Bucknell University, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, and Westminster Theological Seminary. The way he breaks the text into sections is very helpful, so slow readers like me can take it in. When we hear of a tragedy, there is a deep-­seated psycholog­ical defense mechanism that goes to work. Life is tragic. The biblical understanding of a furnace is more what we would call a “forge.” Anything with that degree of heat is, of course, a very dangerous and powerful thing. No rating. And so there is a peculiar, rich, and poignant joy that seems to come to us only through and in suffering. ?when you walk through the fire . So is this a book for sufferers? The Bible speaks frequently of troubles and trials as "walking through the fire," a "fiery ordeal", and a "fiery furnace." Walking with God through Pain and Suffering Hardcover – 10 Oct. 2013 by Timothy Keller (Author) › ... A Simple Guide for Normal People Pete Greig. There's a problem loading this menu right now. (p. 101), If there is no Judgment Day, then there are only two things to do—lose all hope or turn to vengeance. As he notes, nobody can avoid troubles and it’s impossible to cope with them entirely on our own. The book is incredibly well researched, yet it is impossibly personal. eBook. And I’ve failed miserably. The question of why there is pain and suffering in the world has confounded every generation; yet there has not been a major book from a Christian perspective exploring why they exist for many years. On our wedding day, Kathy and I spoke our vows to each other in front of our friends and families. Or we tell ourselves that if only we get the right people into office and get our social systems right, nothing like this will happen again. It was published by Penguin Books and has a total of 384 pages in the book. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering may be the most comprehensive contemporary book on the subject. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we don’t use a simple average. In perhaps the most vivid depiction of suffering in the Bible, in the third chapter of the book of Daniel, three faithful men are thrown into a furnace that is supposed to kill them. I recommend that everyone, in every church and beyond, should get a copy of this book to help them endure and transform their faith. Many books used the philosophical perspective, weighing the “problem of evil” and whether it made the existence of God more or less likely or Christianity more or less plausible. No one is immune. Death is irreducibly unpredictable and inexorable. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering is the definitive Christian book on why bad things happen and how we should respond to them. The question of why there is pain and suffering in the world has confounded every generation; yet there has not been a major book from a Christian perspective exploring why they exist for many years. But these stories show how people of faith have dealt with the varieties of suffering and walked through the furnace with God’s help. . And yet also more joy than we can now imagine. However, if used properly, it does not destroy. This is a remarkable view of suffering, that if faced and endured with faith, it can in the end only make us better, stronger, and more filled with greatness and joy. 12-page PDF sample. Fire is an image used throughout the Bible as an image describing the torment and pain of suffering. (p. 116), [I]t is even more likely that this kind of betrayal [one of four types of suffering that Keller presents] happens simply through a personal relationship going sour. .orange-text-color {color: #FE971E;} Explore your book, then jump right back to where you left off with Page Flip. Praying the same for you. Penguin Books; Reprint edition (August 4, 2015), Reframing suffering and our response in light of the Gospel and the Bible, Reviewed in the United States on October 22, 2018. Overview: The existence and purpose of pain and suffering have long been disputed topics. But in Psalm 34, David counters that though God feels absent, it does not mean he actually is. Keller's series of books has guided countless readers in their spiritual journeys. Paperback . “Whatever troubles are weighing you down are not chains. How could a good God, a just God, a loving God, allow such misery, depravity, pain, and anguish? In 2002, I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer and went through surgery and treatment. Over the years, I also came to realize that adversity did not merely lead people to believe in God’s existence. Joni Eareckson Tada, an evangelical Christian author and speaker who is well acquainted with suffering because of a teenage accident that left her a quadriplegic, believes Tim’s book on … Our pain and suffering often sets us up to see God’s supernatural working in our lives. Suffering is everywhere, unavoidable, and its scope often overwhelms. . Some years ago, a Hollywood actress was interviewed after her lover had died suddenly in an accident. ?I will be with you” (Isa 43:2). Looking back at a time when his life had been in grave danger and all seemed lost, David con­cludes, “The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit” (v. 18). When I sat with sufferers, I often found myself fielding white-­hot objections to God’s existence and to Christian faith. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering uses biblical wisdom and personal stories of overcoming adversity to bring a much-needed, fresh viewpoint to this important issue. Prime members enjoy FREE Delivery and exclusive access to music, movies, TV shows, original audio series, and Kindle books. £17.98. These stories are both inspirational and realistic. Each chapter is based on one main strategy for connecting with God in the furnace of pain and suffering. 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And when we looked to the Bible to understand this deep pattern, we came to see that the great theme of the Bible itself is how God brings fullness of joy not just despite but through suffering, just as Jesus saved us not in spite of but because of what he endured on the cross. ?Why do you hide your face and forget our misery and oppression?” (Ps 44:23–­24) The books of Job and Ec­clesiastes are almost wholly dedicated to deep reflection on unjust suf­fering and on the frustrating pointlessness that characterizes so much of life. But a sniper taking a single clean shot, not into a crowd but through the sight, reminds us horribly of death itself. Fire is, of course, a well-­known image for torment and pain. .orange-text-color {font-weight:bold; color: #FE971E;}Ask Alexa to read your book with Audible integration or text-to-speech. . Walking with God Through Pain and Suffering. O magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt his name together! The temptation will be to become bitter and to hide your growing hardness and cruelty under the self-image of being a noble victim. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering is the definitive Christian book on why bad things happen and how we should respond to them. The wisdom literature of the Old Testament is largely dedicated to the problem of suffering. I am thankful for this clarity, because it helps explain many discrepancies between what I believe and what I experience, especially as a medical doctor. The second part of the book moves away from more theoretical is­sues and begins to digest all that the Bible says about the character of suffering. The Fiery Furnace and the Plan for This Book. That is comparable to the population of a small city being swept away every day, leaving families and friends devastated in the wake. Please try again. Suffering, then, actually can use evil against itself. The Bible calls us to walk steadily through afflictions, and to do so requires that we understand its wonderfully balanced and comprehensive teaching on this subject—­both profoundly realistic and yet astonishingly hopeful. Shakespeare understood this when he wrote: Evil and suffering are so pervasive that the statistics I just recounted hardly make us blink. There was also a smaller number of articles and books that took both a historical and an anthropological approach, examining how different cultures have helped its members face troubles and trials. But it also likens suffering to a fiery furnace (1 Pet 1:6–­7). The book of Psalms provides a prayer for every possible situation in life, and so it is striking how filled it is with cries of pain and with blunt questions to God about the seeming randomness and injustice of suffering. We also will look at the classic phil­osophical “problem of evil” and what responses we can give to it. But at the same time, I learned that just as many people find God through affliction and suffering. Paperback. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering is the definitive Christian book on why bad things happen and how we should respond to them. Espe­cially in the worst of times. We’ve experienced this truth first hand over and over in our lives. But statistics are misleading. At one point, I found myself facing the agonizing possibility that I should leave the pastoral ministry because of my wife’s chronic illness. Keller's series of books has guided countless readers in their spiritual journeys. Its a book for everyone, and it releases tomorrow from Dutton. If you spend one hour reading this book, more than five children throughout the world will have died from abuse and violence during that time. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering. It can thwart the destructive purposes of evil and bring light and life out of darkness and death. Human life is fatally fragile and subject to forces beyond our power to manage. . . Little did we un­derstand how crucial it would be to help people understand and face affliction, and to face it well ourselves. Reflections on the Psalms. .orange-text-color {color: #FE971E;} Discover additional details about the events, people, and places in your book, with Wikipedia integration. 4.6 out of 5 stars 25. What we have learned from these years of ministry to “the afflicted” is in this volume. The fact is, staving off our own death is one of our favorite national pastimes. Unlike Stoics and Buddhists, who mitigate suffering by detachment from the world, Christians suffer better not because they love the world less, but because they love God more - God is with them in their suffering. .orange-text-color {font-weight:bold; color: #FE971E;}View high quality images that let you zoom in to take a closer look. And if this book has taught me anything it is that the path to this goal can only be walking through suffering. And this secularized belief in God, or this residue of Christianity, may be the worst possible preexisting condition in which to encounter suffering. The furnace of suffering is examined in three parts - understanding it, facing it and walking with God in it. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering. This book is an effort to do what they urge—­to take life seriously. Often someone you thought you knew well can turn on you and attack you because it furthers their career or interests. Timothy Keller: Encounters With Jesus, Counterfeit Gods and Walking With God Through Pain and Suffering. Then you can start reading Kindle books on your smartphone, tablet, or computer - no Kindle device required. Hardcover. We think to ourselves that such things happen to other people, to poor people, or to people who do not take precautions. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering is the definitive Christian book on why bad things happen and how we should respond to them. Around the same time, Kathy’s Crohn’s disease became acute and she had to undergo numerous surgeries over the next few years, once enduring seven in one year. Tim Keller has written lots of excellent books, the best of which I think is "The Reason for God" which is the main book I give to non Christian friends who are interested in finding out more about the Christian faith. Find out what the profile is, and identify the ways in which you do not fit it. Yes, but we must make some distinctions. Inevitably, Kathy and I found ourselves facing our own griefs. “An ounce of mirth is worth a pound of sorrow.” – Richard Baxter 2. To this point, my main goal in life has been to avoid suffering for myself and relieve it in others. Otherwise it is false.—­Ernest Becker, The Denial of DeathI will bless the LORD at all times; his praise shall continually be in my mouth. Praise for Walking with God through Pain and Suffering “It has something for everyone—something for the agnostic (Keller makes a strong argument that there are no true atheists); something for the philosopher (although he invites the wounded reader to skip that section); and something for the believer being beckoned into the inner sanctum of sharing in the fellowship of … Suffering “plants the flag of truth within the fortress of a rebel soul.” It is an exaggeration to say that no one finds God unless suffering comes into their lives—­but it is not a big one. Eager to provide additional resources and a more in depth study, the Diaconate, Counseling and HFNY gave a complimentary copy of Tim’s latest book, Walking with God through Pain and Suffering to every event attendee. I’m writing this book because we have found in our own lives that this is true. . Very good for sufferers as well as those who care, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 29, 2016. Until reading this book, I believed I looked at the world as a Christian. It pulled those who already believed into a deeper experience of God’s reality, love, and grace. $15.99. They are featherweight when compared to the glory yet to come. The more I read, the clearer it became that these various perspectives informed one another, and that any treatment that confined itself to only one vantage point left far too many unanswered questions. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering uses biblical wisdom and personal stories of overcoming adversity to bring a much-needed, fresh viewpoint to this important issue. To speak in a detached philosophical manner to an actual suf­ferer is cruel. . Suffering “plants the flag of truth within the fortress of a rebel soul.” It is an exaggeration to say that no one finds God unless suffering comes into their lives—­but it is not a big one. Such historic disasters do not really change the suffering rate. We could almost say that, like a parent with a toddler, the Bible is teaching us to walk, step by step. in stock. $18.04. $15.99. In order to navigate out of this carousel please use your heading shortcut key to navigate to the next or previous heading. And yet the experience of pain leads almost inevitably to “big questions” about God and the nature of things that cannot be ig­nored. As C. S. Lewis famously put it, “God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pain.” Believers understand many doctrinal truths in the mind, but those truths seldom make the journey down into the heart except through disappointment, failure, and loss. To show the many possible human responses to suffering, I have included at the end of many chapters a first-­person story from someone who has en­countered suffering and walked with God through it. There was a problem loading your book clubs. . I want to help readers live life well and even joyfully against the background of these terrible realities. ?of the rumble of panic under­neath everything. Logos Bible Software gives you the tools you need to use your digital library effectively and efficiently, searching for verses, finding Scripture references and citations instantly, and performing word studies. But not all of us are currently in an experience of deep pain and grief. Doubts in the mind can grow along with pain in the heart. Tim Keller is always an excellent read, but you have to knuckle down! In November of 2015, my wife and I began praying that we would become pregnant and we were very excited for this new chapter in our life as we prepared to have our first child. I believe in technology and science and progress and yet so often find myself helpless to even reduce (much less eliminate) my patients’ sufferings. He truly is God with us, in love and understanding, in our anguish. Please try again. I hope that this is the beginning of building a new main goal based on reality: To suffer well and help others to do likewise by embracing the truths God has revealed through scripture and most clearly through his Son. The question of why there is pain and suffering in the world has confounded every generation; yet there has not been a major book from a Christian perspective exploring why they exist for many years. On the other hand, those who are in the grip of pain and difficulty now cannot treat it as a philosophical issue. 1. . $12.99. Unsurprisingly, this author shares insights from Augustine and Luther. While this book on suffering is of course written using Christian arguments based on the bible, it is extremely accessible for anyone of any belief or none.Keller looks at a wide range of views on suffering and how to deal with it, starting from ancient Greek philosophers and ending up with modern secularists. The loss of loved ones, debil­itating and fatal illnesses, personal betrayals, financial reversals, and moral failures—­all of these will eventually come upon you if you live out a normal life span. From the New York Times bestselling author of The Prodigal Prophet Timothy Keller comes the definitive Christian book on why bad things happen and how we should respond to them. It is only the full rich beliefs of the Christian faith that make suffering something less than ultimate and more than worthless. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2013. Book Summary: The title of this book is Walking with God through Pain and Suffering and it was written by Timothy Keller. An excerpt from Joni’s review, on The GC website. Dominion: The Making of the Western Mind Tom Holland. . The majority of them trigger no headlines because pain and misery is the norm in this world. They find that adversity moves them toward God rather than away. As a man who seemed about to lose both his career and his family once said to me, “I always knew, in principle, that ‘Jesus is all you need’ to get through. Whether it’s exercise, checking our choles­terol or having a mammogram, we are always hedging against mortality. This section begins a journey from the philosophical toward the personal. It is crucial for seeing the entire picture but, frankly, may feel too abstract for a person in the midst of adversity. . This book helps me understand why. Patchett and Becker expose the common ways we seek to deny the rumble of panic. The question of why there is pain and suffering in the world has confounded every generation; yet there has not been a major book from a Christian perspective exploring why they exist for many years. New Testament books such as Hebrews and 1 Peter are almost entirely devoted to helping people face relentless sorrows and troubles. I soon realized that perhaps the main reason was affliction and suffering. If you give the entire day to reading, more than one hundred children will have died violently. We all need support if… in stock. . O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together! $19.99. New York: Dutton, 2013. It helpfully explains that the author has set the book out in three sections - the first is a philosophical analysis of the approach different religions and cultures take to suffering, and why Christians bear suffering better than those of any other faith and philosophy, using examples such as the Stoics, Buddhists, Western secular society, etc. However it became abundantly clear that my mind has been shaped much more by my culture and secular education than by God and his Truth. To the traditional words of commitment we added a passage of Scripture—­Psalm 34:1–­3—­which is engraved on the inside of our wedding rings. The Rumble of Panic beneath EverythingI think that taking life seriously means something like this: that whatever man does on this planet has to be done in the lived truth of the terror of creation . Saying our vows was a heady moment, and the lofty words of the text enhanced it. One of the main ways we move from abstract knowledge about God to a personal encounter with him as a living reality is through the furnace of affliction. Unable to add item to List. It is backed up by lots of scripture. It was the darkest time of our lives so far. I am forced again and again to trade one problem for a different problem. Some of the life stories are quite moving. She had been living without thought or reference to God for a long time, but once this happened she said, “How could a loving God let this hap­pen?” In an instant she went from indifference to God to anger toward him. And yet we have innumerable diaries, journals, and historical documents that reveal how they took that hardship and grief in far better stride than do we. When pain and suffering come upon us, we finally see not only that we are not in control of our lives but that we never were. Looking back on our lives, Kathy and I came to realize that at the heart of why people disbelieve and believe in God, of why people de­cline and grow in character, of how God becomes less real and more real to us—­is suffering. In this book we will argue that inevitably this support must be spiritual. When pain and suffering come upon us, we finally see not only that we are not in control of our lives but that we never were. This particular edition is in a Paperback format. . Human life is fatally fragile and subject to forces be­yond our power to manage. Walking with God through Pain and Suffering uses biblical wisdom and personal stories of overcoming adversity to bring a much-needed, fresh viewpoint to this important issue. Books . We all know this intuitively, and those who face the challenge of suf­fering and pain learn all too well that it is impossible to do so using only our own resources.